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Did You Know...

... that Judy Celaya provides judging advice for competition teams?

Penalty situation in Round 1
posted Feb 28th, 2008 - Two new meet videos of the Valentine's Meet 2008 are coming along with the details of Perris Fury's busts in Rounds 1 and 2. Chief Judge Judy Celaya also provided additional feedback from her perspective, which is very helpful for all teams to understand what judges are looking for at the meets. NSL-TV has also added the special video page where the previously uploaded meet videos can be reviewed at any time.

It was probably not easy for the judges in the NSL-TV audience to look for the four penalty situations in Perris Fury's Round 1 of the meet. The first infringement came at the end of Block 10 (Diamond - Bunyip) on the first page. The level problems caused trouble and resulted in an unsynchronized break, and the judges could not accept the Bunyip as a complete formation.

The other three penalties all occur at the end of the jump. The judges in Eloy apparently did not accept the inter between the Bunyip at the end of Block 10 on the third page and the Random Formation D (Yuan). Judy Celaya explains later why an inter like this one should not be acceptable.

Perris Fury's Round 5 at the Valentine's Meet 2008 - see video
Penalty situation in Round 2
Fury's trouble continued on the same page. The reason for the next penalty at the following inter (Yuan to Photon) was probably very similar to the previous one. The windows between dropping grips and picking up the new ones are short and not very well synchronized. The word "synchronization" and "in synch" means a lot to the event judges these days, especially when teams perform on a very high pace and performance level.

The trouble was not over yet for Perris Fury. The judges detected another very short window during the transition from the end of Block 11 (Photon - Photon) to the last formation that Fury completed within working time, the Unipod (A) on the top of the 4th page. The 19th point did not count as a scoring formation, and the official score was down from 19 points in working time to 15 points on the scoreboard.

There was not that much work for the judges in Eloy and for the NSL audience in Round 2 of the meet. The penalty situation is at the completion of Block 14 (Bipole - Bipole) on the top of the third page.

Perris Fury cannot be blamed for lack of synchronization this time. The team members move on "in synch" when the closing of the Bipole is not as clean as it was probably expected. However, the judges did not accept Fury's second Bipole as a complete formation, and the score was reduced from 19 to 18 points.

Canada Evolution's Round 6 at the Valentine's Meet 2008 - see video
Evolution's exit trouble in Round 6
The two new videos of the meet bring Perris Fury (Round 5) and Canada Evolution (Round 6) to the same point in time. The first six rounds of both teams can now be reviewed on the NSL-TV page of the event.

Round 6 was the most painful one for Evolution's team videographer Daniel Paquette. He had problems with the exit from the Pilatus Porter once again. This time, he even decided to film the whole jump from below after missing the Cataccord out of the right-hand door.

Perris Fury's Center Inside, Chris Farina, had already mentioned earlier how hard it was to watch the teams work hard on the Pilatus Porter exits: "My biggest observation was watching the teams having to train for the world meet out of the Porter and how challenging some of the exits ended up being. Having never jumped one, it was an eye opener to what kind of obstacle they were up against." Round 6 was probably the worst example for the Canadian team.

Perris Fury's Round 5 was the first one without any penalties. Airspeed Odyssey scored an 18-pointer for the slow sequence (22-18-J). Fury's 17-pointer was another round where the Perris team managed to stay very close to the winner.

Chief Judge in Eloy, FAI meet veteran Judy Celaya, took some extra time after reviewing the uploaded meet videos and the NSL News stories and provided her own feedback.

Judy Celaya with fellow judge Rina Gallo

Valentine's Meet Judging

By Judy Celaya

I love reading your comments and those of competitors regarding judging after a meet is over. I actually do learn from them, but they also frustrate me. It seems so adversarial between the teams and the judges. That is a wrong mindset.

Judges love to see beautifully executed skydives. We love to see innovations in engineering. We especially love seeing teams improve from meet to meet and year to year. We don't like teams deliberately trying to fake out the judges. We like good sportsmanship. We like seeing experienced teams mentoring the novices. We love it when it is apparent the competitors actually read the rules.

I'd like to make a few comments on the Perris Fury engineering issue. Indulge me while I quote a few rules. These are straight from the IPC Competition Rules effective March 1, 2008.

2.10. Scoring formation: is a formation which is correctly completed and clearly presented either as a random formation or within a block sequence as depicted in the dive pool, and which, apart from the first formation after exit, must be preceded by a correctly completed and clearly presented total separation or inter, as appropriate.

3.3.2. It is the responsibility of the team to clearly present the start of working time, correct scoring formations, inters and total separations to the judges.

Perris Fury prepares for a jump
Now let me comment on the sections of the NSL News article. The reason the judges busted the Side Flake Donut is because the team engineered the key across the formation from the closing grip. The judges are forced to watch two different locations in the formation at the same time. Let me remind everyone that we watch the dive in real time, and only three times. Go back now and read rule 3.3.2. Perris Fury took a chance in trying something new in dive engineering, and it cost them. The engineering did not convince the judges that the point was complete before the key.

Perris Fury punished themselves in not flying synchronized. They looked rough. After the competition they asked me what I thought, and I told them they need to smooth out their flying. As I said before, a team that flies clean and smooth is a team that scores. Airspeed is the perfect example. In ten rounds, Airspeed had only one bust and four judgment calls (judgment calls are when a penalty is not called by the majority of the judges). Airspeed was clean in seven rounds out of ten. On the other hand, Perris Fury scored nine busts and 12 judgment calls. They were clean only in Rounds 5 and 8. Perhaps they should study those rounds to see what they did right.

DeLand Fire at the FSL Shamrock Showdown 2006
I have been judging since 1980, when the 4-way world record was 16 points in 35 seconds. I have seen many evolutions, in skydiving engineering as well as in judging techniques. The reason judges resist going back to slow motion is because it makes the judges look for the points and inters, rather than the teams clearly presenting the points and inters to the judges. I believe we should not go backwards. I know teams can fly fast and clean. If you want a good example, go back to Deland Fire's 2006 Shamrock Showdown Round 4.

I don't think competitors really want to learn from the judges. I am constantly telling competitors and coaches they should take a Judges Certification Course. They spend so much money on training and coaching, but they just don't see the value of learning the judge's perspective. I can't say it too often. If you aren't jumping and dressing for the judges, what you are doing is pointless.

Judges briefing at the World Meet 2006
The Golden Knights used to have a judge's course every couple of years to stay current. I have also told coaches they would do a better job for their teams if they had a judge's rating. Teams and coaches need to know the judge's perspective. It is as valuable as all the coaching and practicing, but the competitors just won't realize it. The teams should be debriefing their dives first with a judge's hat on; three plays in real time, then go on to analyze the skydive to the nth degree in slow motion.

Another option is to keep a judge on retainer for periodic debriefing. This would be so easy to do in this electronic age. Send your dives to judges for feedback. Bring a judge to the DZ for a weekend to go over team dives and techniques to see if they work before it is actually tried out in competition. The USPA and IPC websites have judge lists with email addresses available. You would also be helping judges stay current. We get tired of watching the same dives over and over. Send us new stuff. All the time I have for now. Keep up the good work.

Thanks for the effort, Judy...
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